Class Meetings for Tutoring Groups

Question:

I am a teacher for a Latino tutoring group which meets after school 4 days a week for 2 hours. The age range is 5-13, with about 10-15 students. The first hour is homework. The second is an activity. I have tried to implement a form of classroom meetings once a week, but I am considering dropping the notion.

It started out great- the mastered compliments, loved giving and getting multiple compliments, but now the enthusiasm has died out, as I attempt the significant 7. The older ones seem to resent the meetings, setting a bad tone. I have implemented some of the activities mentioned in your PD book, such as separate realities. I have attempted to start an agenda, but the older girls are not cooperative, and leave the circle following compliments.

Last week was the worst. I tried to form a circle, when 2 of the older girls, ran away, hiding in parts of the church we were not allowed in. I tried talking to them once I brought them together. I talked about finding solutions. I gave them a choice, to talk about it now, or I could talk to their Mom. I gave them several opportunities, but they held pillows to their faces the entire time, and laughed. I followed through, by talking with their mom. Now they're not hiding in the other room or talking to me. I've let it go for a week, and I'm barely acknowledged when I say "hi" to them. They look at me as if I'm the enemy.

What should I do? Maybe classroom meetings aren't intended to accommodate vast age ranges or groups that only meet for short periods of time.

Answer:

My name is Jody McVittie. I have been working with teachers using Positive Discipline in the Classroom for about 7 years and I am one of the Associates who answer questions for the website.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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 It is great that you are learning and teaching class meetings! Classroom meetings can work very will with kids with a wide range of ages and they can work with groups that meet for short periods of time. (I know teachers using parts of class meetings when they are only meeting with students for 20 minutes 3 times per week). So I don’t think that is the problem.


The thing that stands out for me in your question is how “in charge” you are (which means that how “not in charge” the kids are) of the class meeting process. It may just be how I am reading your email, but what I notice is: “I have implemented”, “I have attempted to start an agenda” ”I tried to form a circle.” My guess is the girls are feeling disempowered and are getting you back (mistaken belief: I feel hurt so I will hurt back) or are trying to show you that they are in control (mistaken belief: I belong when I’m the boss or in control). The more ownership you give the students over class meetings, the more they will engage in the process and the more skills they will learn. Yes, there will be mistakes…but going slowly, step by step, and doing the activities that engage the students may be very helpful.


I’m guessing that your once a week meetings are also more than 15 minutes. I suggest that you keep the meetings short – 15 minutes. Do them more often – especially at the beginning as they are learning the skills. 2-3 times per week. (In the beginning, you might even try every day. Remember, they are learning skills. When teachers start teaching reading or math, they want their students to practice every day so they can practice and retain the skills.) Short meetings, more often, are much easier for students. This alone may reduce the challenges. Have them led by one of the students. (That may take a little time for training and a system that is fair so that all the students can eventually lead the meeting.)


Why are you having class meetings? Do the kids know? We think class meetings are great for teaching kids life skills (connection, empathy, separate realities, problem solving, planning fun activities). But kids can’t always relate to those purposes the way we do. There are some good activities for “buy in” for class meetings in the manual and in the book that you might be able to try to re-engage your students. In particular, the “Buy In” activity would be a good one with your mixed age group and for the older girls who apparently have not bought in. I would pause for a bit before you do this to disengage from what sounds like an emerging power struggle. Then after a week or two of no class meetings the “Buy In” activity might be very interesting. It might be interesting to hear if the students felt like you were “making” them do something. You could check this out by saying, “I’m wondering what mistakes I made when starting class meetings. (This is also a great model to teach them that mistakes are wonderful opportunities to learn.) How many of you thought it was just another way for me to lecture and control you? How many of you thought it was my agenda, instead of getting you involved? Getting answers from them is part of the buy-in process. When students buy in to the idea of problem solving together beginning the agenda is not a problem. It becomes a tool for problem solving.
I may be wrong, but I’m guessing that you haven’t taught all of the building blocks of class meetings yet. You clearly taught the students how to do compliments. But when you say you “implemented separate realities”…I don’t know if you mean that you did the activity with them…or talked to them about it? We find that talking to the students is not nearly as effective. Doing the activity and letting them discover the meaning (by asking questions) is much more fun. Did you teach the other building blocks of class meetings? (Did you do the forming a circle activity…or just tell them to get in a circle? Did they learn about being helpful not hurtful, communication tools, the reasons people do what they do, role plays, finding solutions?) My experience working with teachers is that sometimes it is tempting to skip teaching the building blocks because the teachers want to get on with problem solving and “teaching life skills.” But the process of teaching the building blocks itself teaches life skills. With a wide age range of students you will be challenged a bit to work the activity so that everyone can “reach it”….but that in itself is a wonderful problem for the students to solve.


After you have taught your students the building blocks (by doing the activities) I would recommend not doing much more “teaching” in the formal sense. Instead, I would support them in beginning problem solving and let the process do the teaching. (So, for example, I wouldn’t “teach” the significant 7 to this group. The process of class meetings will help the students incorporate those significant 7 just by doing class meetings and problem solving together).


Sometimes it is helpful to get a picture of what the class meeting will look like several months in the future. If someone were to come observe, what would they see in 2 or 3 or 4 months? Here is an idea:


After the time for homework there is a snack and then a student lets the other students know that it time for the meeting. There is a bustle of activity as one student grabs the agenda, another gets recording materials and everyone is getting their chairs in a circle. You are in the circle, but not leading the meeting. (Your job is to gently remind the students of the guidelines as needed, to ensure that students are being helpful not hurtful, and to participate in the meeting like everyone else.) The student leading the meeting (and it could be a student of any age, though usually the older students start this out) opens the meeting by announcing that it is time for compliments and begins by passing around a small soft object. Today the group is complimenting the person on their left (this changes of course, but it is what the leader chose). After compliments are over, the leader looks at the agenda (if a non reader is leading the meeting, he or she will have a helper who can read). A problem from last week is checked in on and the solution is working. (If it isn’t working it is put back on the agenda). Next, the leader notices that there are three problems on the agenda. She starts with the first problem and asks the person who put the problem on the agenda if he would like to just share the problem, pass around the object and talk about the problem without fixing or ask for problem solving help. He asks for problem solving help, and after he explains the problem the soft object is again passed around the meeting and each student either gives a suggestion or passes. The recorder writes down all of the suggested solutions. After the soft object has gone around the circle, the scribe reads the solutions and the student with the problem decides which solution he’d like to try for a week. That process took a while so there are only a few minutes left in the 15 minute meeting. The leader decides to close the meeting with a short fun activity and leave the other agenda items for the next day. The students re arrange the room to the way it was before the circle and spend the last 30 minutes in another activity.


If you are like me, you probably get frustrated and discouraged when something you want to have happen doesn’t work like you had hoped. I want to urge you to pause with this one. Be gentle with yourself. If you made a mistake, see it as an opportunity to learn. Getting class meetings going in a group of kids who have already been in school all day, who range in ages from 5-13, and who may not have high problem solving skills is challenging. It is also a huge gift to the students. It is a gift that will last a lifetime. They are worth it. And you have the gift to offer. Bravo!


If you still feel stuck and would like some more help, write back with your phone number and maybe we can connect you with someone close to you with more experience (which means they’ve already made more mistakes) or we could support you on the phone.
Best wishes,

 

Jody McVittie